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gimpy wimmer · Jan 17, 2007, 05:39 AM // 05:39

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Originally Posted by PyrAnkh

Even though 8v8 leaves more room for strategy, i voted 6v6. Why? Because i feel like 6v6 forces people to be creative with thoughts about builds cause of limited space. I like 6v6 (as long as you nerf the FoTM now and then)

rofl good one its pretty much the complete oppisite i mean wtf are you thinking? the only creative build is the spirt way which sure as hell got old fast o and i almost forgot zergway which is like the new iway

luilui · Jan 17, 2007, 11:40 AM // 11:40

Seriously STFU about fotm, ppl are just lazy that's all, everyone only want to copy others build, how many of u actually tried to come up something that's original? how many of u actually spend 2 hours testing the new elites?

Would be interesting to see all those ppl that complain about fotm telling us what build did they play in the past few days.

And yea those who only observe and haven't been in HA for awhile please stfu too.

dirtydutch · Jan 17, 2007, 12:21 PM // 12:21

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Originally Posted by luilui

Seriously STFU about fotm, ppl are just lazy that's all, everyone only want to copy others build, how many of u actually tried to come up something that's original? how many of u actually spend 2 hours testing the new elites?

Would be interesting to see all those ppl that complain about fotm telling us what build did they play in the past few days.

And yea those who only observe and haven't been in HA for awhile please stfu too.

Now now, take it easy. You should know allot off ppl are always bitching about these things.

Yes ppl are lazy to think off a build cus they really want to play the game.

- They dont want to discus for like 2 hours what they should play.
- They dont want to lose all the time of thinking testing a build.
- Copy a build is remake and gogogo.

FoxBat · Jan 17, 2007, 05:26 PM // 17:26

I'm not going to say 6v6 is necessarily better or worse than 8v8, but one thing I hear often is that "8v8 was better because you could win with balanced teams, it is 6v6's fault that you can't do this anymore."

Can someone explain to me why I see more variety and less gimmicks in Team Arena 4v4 then? "Balanced" builds of 1 monk, 1 melee, 1 other damager (melee/caster), 1 utility caster are extremely common. And thats with half the player slots! Not to say that you can't run slanted gimmicks in TA but... I don't see them very often.

My guess... holding really slants a lot of builds. While far from useless, I don't see channeling as better than the GvG /A options, *except* on an altar map where it's just rediculous how much energy you draw from two teams who ignore you half the time. I don't see sandstorm ball as good against anything but really horrible players that clump up, *except* on altar matches where everyone has to cluster around the ghostly. Spirits spam is just a lot of unnecessary defense, *except* when you have to fight off two teams at the altar. SoMW and even more so Obs spike are far more susceptible to disruption than an 8v8 spike, except on altar where they don't have to actually kill anyone to win. Ward of stability and song of conc are on everyone's bar, again, primarily to protect the ghostly.

I'm not saying we should or shouldn't stay at 6v6, but I somehow doubt it is the only cause of the FotM domination we are seeing at the moment.

phasola · Jan 17, 2007, 06:32 PM // 18:32

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Can someone explain to me why I see more variety and less gimmicks in Team Arena 4v4 then? "Balanced" builds of 1 monk, 1 melee, 1 other damager (melee/caster), 1 utility caster are extremely common. And thats with half the player slots! Not to say that you can't run slanted gimmicks in TA but... I don't see them very often.

Because in TA all you have to do is kill each other ?

Nimble Night · Jan 17, 2007, 06:33 PM // 18:33

looking through the posts i see peoples main concern is that recreating 8v8 would rekindle builds such as IWAY and various spike builds. IMO i would mutch preffer to be fighting IWAY as opposed to some lame holding build. and same with spikes, nothing was wrong with them, any decent ballanced team could roll spikes with various shutdowns and the mutch loved SB/infuse bar.

personally i would like to see 8v8 restored, my reasons for thinking this are:-

- ok in some respects it made it easier to get a team for obvious reasons, you need 2 people less. however i would prefer an 8 man team that was more interesting to play and could gather a decent amount of fame per run without getting skipped to halls 5 times in a row, that may take an additional 10 minutes to form.

- more builds, however mutch people argue that there are not as many 6v6 builds as 8v8 because people are just "lazy"; the truth is seriously you just have less to work with with 6 members. and atm the situation is somewhat dire, when u only face thumper holding, spirit spam holding, hex holding or SoMW, and if you do see another build u can expect them to loose to any of the holding builds listed.

-accept it or not the vast majority of people who ha regulally,(or at least used to), want it switched back to 8v8. as this pole is pretty clearly showing, so dont b greedy and just accept you are wrong and 6v6 is a mistake and the world will be a better place.

-8v8 = more fun.

Divineshadows · Jan 17, 2007, 09:21 PM // 21:21

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Originally Posted by phasola

Because in TA all you have to do is kill each other ?

QFT.

The simpler objectives of TA means that teams gets to select more of the good skills that help them in killing, disrupting, or defending.

The more complicated objectives of HA involve trying to solve problems like how to keep a ghostly hero alive who likes to tank, and attack through no less, 5 sandstorms at once. It's mechanics like these that leads to gimmicky builds and causes even the less gimmicky teams/builds to bring some skills that are very gimmicky (i.e. bad/inefficient/garbage in other PvP modes) in nature such as healing seed and song of concentration.

¿Evan¿ · Jan 17, 2007, 09:35 PM // 21:35

8v8.. 2 more people to rage at and 2 more people to help block relics

Bloodied Blade · Jan 17, 2007, 10:13 PM // 22:13

above posters have pretty much already stated the awesomeness of 8v8... I don't really need to add much other than that I miss rspike.

BenO_Under · Jan 17, 2007, 11:45 PM // 23:45

Hate to be a noob, but doesn't more FoTM's = more variety? If so, doesn't it mean the people saying 8v8 have more gimmick builds unrelated?

tacitus · Jan 18, 2007, 01:32 AM // 01:32

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Originally Posted by BenO_Under

Hate to be a noob, but doesn't more FoTM's = more variety? If so, doesn't it mean the people saying 8v8 have more gimmick builds unrelated?

yes both 8v8 and 6v6 have gimmick builds however back when 8v8 was around there were far more balanced non gimmick teams kicking about than they are under 6v6.

I mean this as a ratio since there were more of everything back in 8v8 before the nerf of ha.

In 6v6 balanced is very hard but not impossible to run making fotms far more attractive to most players. People who played gimmicks in 8v8 are still able to easily play gimmicks in 6v6 it was balanced that smacked in the face.

CrazyTreeBoy · Jan 18, 2007, 02:05 AM // 02:05

Gimmicks or no, we already HAVE 8V8. Guild battle.

I'm personally completely uninterested in a revitalized 8V8 HA. If you wanna fight 8 people, get into a guild battle. The tactics and builds, IMO, are much more complex and varied than in HA. 6V6 however, is a completely different format and is actually worth playing. 8V8 HA is just guild battles with gimmicky maps that limit strategies and builds.

Randomway Ftw · Jan 18, 2007, 02:57 AM // 02:57

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Originally Posted by CrazyTreeBoy

Gimmicks or no, we already HAVE 8V8. Guild battle.

I'm personally completely uninterested in a revitalized 8V8 HA. If you wanna fight 8 people, get into a guild battle. The tactics and builds, IMO, are much more complex and varied than in HA. 6V6 however, is a completely different format and is actually worth playing. 8V8 HA is just guild battles with gimmicky maps that limit strategies and builds.

The reasons why 8v8 HA is good have been listed many times, HA 8v8 was also vastly different than GvG. Just because you like 6v6 does not mean it is better or should be that way.

Why does somone always post that if we want 8v8 we should go play GvG? It's the most retarded arguement ever, 8v8 HA, and GvG were very different, they were different game modes with different objectives, different builds, and different strategies. By your logic I could say, lets remove FOW, we already have UW or lets remove TA we already Have RA.

Alleji · Jan 18, 2007, 05:19 AM // 05:19

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Originally Posted by CrazyTreeBoy

Gimmicks or no, we already HAVE 8V8. Guild battle.

I'm personally completely uninterested in a revitalized 8V8 HA. If you wanna fight 8 people, get into a guild battle. The tactics and builds, IMO, are much more complex and varied than in HA. 6V6 however, is a completely different format and is actually worth playing. 8V8 HA is just guild battles with gimmicky maps that limit strategies and builds.

People who don't bother to look at the thread and see that "want 8v8? Go GvG" argument has already been posted and called retarded hundreds of times should be banned on the spot.

kthx

Lord Mendes · Jan 18, 2007, 07:59 AM // 07:59

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Originally Posted by CrazyTreeBoy

Gimmicks or no, we already HAVE 8V8. Guild battle.

I'm personally completely uninterested in a revitalized 8V8 HA. If you wanna fight 8 people, get into a guild battle. The tactics and builds, IMO, are much more complex and varied than in HA. 6V6 however, is a completely different format and is actually worth playing. 8V8 HA is just guild battles with gimmicky maps that limit strategies and builds.

Wow! You really have it figured out don't you!

How about we change all PvE areas to accomodate a different number of party members. Let's make UW 6 man because we already have an 8v8 area (FoW). And the ring of fire missions should hold 5 or 7 people, because we already have 6 and 8 man teams.
/signed?

God Apprentice · Jan 18, 2007, 08:16 AM // 08:16

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Originally Posted by Randomway Ftw

Why does somone always post that if we want 8v8 we should go play GvG? It's the most retarded arguement ever, 8v8 HA, and GvG were very different, they were different game modes with different objectives, different builds, and different strategies. By your logic I could say, lets remove FOW, we already have UW or lets remove TA we already Have RA.

I think some of these people never played HA when it was 8, which is why they state that. (6v6 double fame weekend, maybe?)

HA and GvG are two different PvP play styles, stop trying to compare them!

The Silver Star · Jan 18, 2007, 08:23 AM // 08:23

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Originally Posted by CrazyTreeBoy

Gimmicks or no, we already HAVE 8V8. Guild battle.

I'm personally completely uninterested in a revitalized 8V8 HA. If you wanna fight 8 people, get into a guild battle. The tactics and builds, IMO, are much more complex and varied than in HA. 6V6 however, is a completely different format and is actually worth playing. 8V8 HA is just guild battles with gimmicky maps that limit strategies and builds.

Retarded.........

phasola · Jan 18, 2007, 09:31 AM // 09:31

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Gimmicks or no, we already HAVE 8V8. Guild battle.

I'm personally completely uninterested in a revitalized 8V8 HA. If you wanna fight 8 people, get into a guild battle. The tactics and builds, IMO, are much more complex and varied than in HA. 6V6 however, is a completely different format and is actually worth playing. 8V8 HA is just guild battles with gimmicky maps that limit strategies and builds.

When i want 8 man teams, i go to PvE. That's where the real skills are.

CrazyTreeBoy · Jan 18, 2007, 10:12 AM // 10:12

Eeeh... Guess I pissed more'n a few people off. Sorry 'bout that, I'll have to read large threads more thoroughly. I just like to point out WHY I vote they way I do.

Still, you're right. 8V8 HA is very different than 8V8 GvG. completely different format. completely different goals, builds, and strategies. And what I was trying to say is that for 8 players, I prefer to play GvG, and I believe it's better. Period.

6v6 HA is actually interesting to me and something to do besides GvG, but whenever I feel like playing in such a large, organized group, I've found GvG to be much more stimulating and fun than HA was. I will admit, though, that I played very little HA when it was 8V8. Maybe I just missed what was fun about it cause I didn't play it long enough.

All of this, mind you, is personal opinion. This isn't something I can really argue logically for or against. I guess that kinda makes all my posting fairly pointless though, as the the majority of opinion is obviously showing the opposite preference.

Skuld · Jan 18, 2007, 10:34 AM // 10:34

Heh, I think most ppl would rather play gvg than 6 man ha